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    <title>Hill Heat: On Thin Ice: The Future of the Polar Bear</title>
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      <title>On Thin Ice: The Future of the Polar Bear</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Chairman Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming will question members of the Bush Administration regarding the delay of a decision to list polar bears under the Endangered Species Act until after a controversial lease sale for oil drilling off of Alaska. The hearing will also feature experts on wildlife protection and oil drilling.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Earlier this week, the Interior Department &lt;a href="http://www.hillheat.com/articles/2008/01/09/administration-misses-polar-bear-deadline-conservation-groups-to-sue"&gt;announced it would miss the statutory deadline to reach a decision on listing the polar bear under the Endangered Species Act (ESA)&lt;/a&gt;, saying it would take up to a month more to reach the decision. That would put the listing decision one day after the sale of oil drilling rights in Alaska&amp;#8217;s Chukchi Sea, scheduled for February 6th. The Chukchi Sea is a sensitive polar bear habitat.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;In the most thorough study to date, the Interior Department determined that under current trends, disappearing sea ice would result in a two-thirds drop in the world population of polar bears resulting in the disappearance of polar bears from Alaska by 2050.&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;em&gt;&lt;span class="caps"&gt;PANEL I&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
	&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Mr. Dale Hall, Director, Fish and Wildlife Service&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Mr. Randall Luthi, Director, Minerals Management Service&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Dr. Steven Amstrup, Polar Bear Team Leader, U.S. Geological Survey&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;


&lt;em&gt;&lt;span class="caps"&gt;PANEL II&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
	&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Ms. Jamie Rappaport Clark, Executive Vice President, Defenders of Wildlife&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Ms. Deborah Williams, President, Alaska Conservation Solutions&lt;/li&gt;
		&lt;li&gt;Ms. Kassie Siegel, Director, Climate, Air and Energy Program, Center for Biological Diversity&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;/ul&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:22 am &lt;strong&gt;Sensenbrenner&lt;/strong&gt; What&amp;#8217;s the beef?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:22 am &lt;strong&gt;Inslee&lt;/strong&gt; The idea that the science isn&amp;#8217;t clear on what&amp;#8217;s happening in the Arctic is bizarre. The ice is gone. I want to ask a question about oil spills.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; I don&amp;#8217;t think we would be doing our jobs if we didn&amp;#8217;t consider the possibility of a spill. The history has been different. The companies especially in north Alaska have been responsible.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Inslee&lt;/strong&gt; If I told you there was a 33-51% chance of being run over a bus I think that would be significant. Your statement said there would be a 33-51% chance of a 1000 barrel oil spill.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; Before the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;ESA&lt;/span&gt; kicks in, or if it does, we have worked with &lt;span class="caps"&gt;FWS&lt;/span&gt; very carefully.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Inslee&lt;/strong&gt; I believe you are acting in willful ignorance of known science. I believe it is negligent in the extreme. You moved before the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;ESA&lt;/span&gt; determination was made. I find that totally disrespectful of the law.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; What would be different would be one more layer of consultation under the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;ESA&lt;/span&gt;. The protections under the Marine Mammals Act are in many ways more strict.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:29 &lt;strong&gt;Walden&lt;/strong&gt; Do you have other endangered species listed where there is drilling?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; The eiders, and a whale species I believe.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Walden&lt;/strong&gt; Have you seen threats to these species or loss of life?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; We have seen no blowouts, very small spills. To my knowledge there has not been a take or harassment of endangered species.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:34 &lt;strong&gt;Larson&lt;/strong&gt; Doesn&amp;#8217;t Rep. Markey&amp;#8217;s legislation make sense?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; Quite frankly, if I hadn&amp;#8217;t made the decision to give ourselves more time it would have worked that way anyway. I&amp;#8217;m never comfortable telling people what kind of laws they should pass.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Larson&lt;/strong&gt; Given the record low summer sea ice this year what are you doing to understand the impact on polar bears?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Amstrup&lt;/strong&gt; The work that we&amp;#8217;ve done suggest that the changes in the sea ice have already negatively impacted the polar bears.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:44 &lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; The burden is on us and the science to determine a direct linkage between the take and the endangerment of the species. The science as it is today, even the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;IPCC&lt;/span&gt; information, would not allow us to segment out this particular set of emissions.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:46 &lt;strong&gt;Cleaver&lt;/strong&gt; Are you familiar with the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;USS&lt;/span&gt; Arizona? Went down in Pearl Harbor. Have you ever gone there to see the ship on the bottom? Each day when people go over it, the number one tourist attraction in Hawaii, oil is still bubbling up. Sixty years later. I watched it last week and realize the lasting impact of oil spills and what it does to the environment. I&amp;#8217;m also wondering, do you think the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;FWS&lt;/span&gt; is strictly dealing with fish and wildlife, or does it get into ideological issues? Is it ideological or scientific or is it a mix of two?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; Over my 29 years with the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;FWS I&lt;/span&gt; can speak with some confidence that our employees try to be professional and responsible. As far as being ideological I believe that the vast majority of employees and myself believe we should be advocates for truth.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cleaver&lt;/strong&gt; So the polar bears, the habitat has been damaged.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; We&amp;#8217;ve certainly lost 20%. We know the habitat is leaving us.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cleaver&lt;/strong&gt; So what&amp;#8217;s the problem?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; It&amp;#8217;s not just making a decision that&amp;#8217;s important. It&amp;#8217;s making it clear, and why. When I release a document with my signature.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cleaver&lt;/strong&gt; How much more habitat do we need to lose for this to be clear?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; We need to do something about climate change starting yesterday. We need to control greenhouse gases.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;10:53 &lt;strong&gt;Amstrup&lt;/strong&gt; The declines in sea ice predicted haven&amp;#8217;t been as fast as what has actually occured.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Rep. Hall&lt;/strong&gt; Can we quantify that?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Amstrup&lt;/strong&gt; Yes.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Rep. Hall&lt;/strong&gt; My constituents are coming out in overflow crowds to find out what they can do about global warming. We just passed a new energy bill to do some things. There are regional cap-and-trade systems being set up. Your statement that &amp;#8220;no matter we do we will rely primarily on coal, oil, and natural gas.&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; That comes from the Energy Information Agency. That&amp;#8217;s what they tell us.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Rep. Hall&lt;/strong&gt; You can draw a graph that project different outcomes depending on different policies we adopt. Do we spend billions of dollars getting oil from unfriendly and dangerous places or do we invest in new technologies?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#8217;re talking about a potential of $100 billion from a $500 million lease.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; The &lt;span class="caps"&gt;MMS&lt;/span&gt; takes very seriously its responsibility to get fair market value.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;11:02 &lt;strong&gt;Markey&lt;/strong&gt; What would be the effect of an oil spill be on polar bears?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Amstrup&lt;/strong&gt; It would depend on the oil spill, but the effect of oil on polar bears in the wild is to kill them.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Markey&lt;/strong&gt; Would you object if Sec. Kempthorne decided to allow Mr. Hall to make his decision before you were allowed to make the Chukchi sale?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; He is my boss.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Markey&lt;/strong&gt; We have political players confronting a scientific decision and the chief decisionmaker is Sec. Kempthorne. All he has to do is say, let&amp;#8217;s use common sense, and recognize that extinction is forever, and make that decision before we send the oil and gas companies out. Mr. Kempthorne is to blame. In the end, man can adapt but the bear cannot. When the ice is gone, man cheers for new drilling opportunities, but the bear starves and dies.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;11:07 &lt;strong&gt;Inslee&lt;/strong&gt; This could result in a suicide squeeze for the polar bear. If the leases are made before the designation, you cannot terminate the leases legally, can you?&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Luthi&lt;/strong&gt; We cannot terminate the leases, no.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Inslee&lt;/strong&gt; I can&amp;#8217;t believe an agency would issue this document saying there&amp;#8217;s a 33-51% chance of a major oil spill not taking into account existing technology.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Hall&lt;/strong&gt; We update the statistics based on new technology. The data reflects the past history. We used the best available information at the time.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Second Panel&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;11:18 &lt;strong&gt;Siegel&lt;/strong&gt; There is still time to save the polar bear. A first step is to list the polar bear under the Endangered Species Act. We need to also immediately reduce greenhouse gases, not just carbon dioxide, but also methane and black carbon.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;11:21 &lt;strong&gt;Williams&lt;/strong&gt; We must delay the Chukchi lease sale. We must provide funding for polar bear study. We must reduce greenhouse gases. Congress would never make a decision without this kind of information. It is the worst kind of irresponsible.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;11:29 &lt;strong&gt;Clark&lt;/strong&gt; There are numerous factors that support listing polar bears under the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;ESA&lt;/span&gt;. Number one is the unequivocal loss of sea ice due to global warming. It would fly in the face of the precautionary principles of the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;ESA&lt;/span&gt; for the Interior to take advantage of its own delay in the listing to develop gas and oil drilling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:30:00 -0600</pubDate>
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      <author>The Cunctator</author>
      <link>http://www.hillheat.com/events/2008/01/17/on-thin-ice-the-future-of-the-polar-bear</link>
      <category>Policy</category>
      <category>polar bear</category>
      <category>ESA</category>
      <category>sea ice</category>
      <category>Arctic</category>
      <category>FWS</category>
      <committee>House Energy Independence and Global Warming</committee>
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